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Summaries of some of your earlier comments can be found
here. Your latest comments, received through this
website, are detailed below: Name: Philip
CommentsRE TV's on trains. My local Thameslink operator trialled this last year. By accident I came across the trial train and found it a complete pain.
Name: John
P
CommentsStrongly against TV on trains - it is a distraction that we can well do without. Some of London's Routemaster buses had this and it was inevitable that your eyes were distracted to it, rather than looking out of the window. I think people should be encouraged to look out of the window (interesting that Network Rail has just produced a booklet "Tracking Wild Britain - waatching wild life by train" - this is counter to the introduction of TVs.) I work for and travel locally on Southern, who are another TOC to take the plunge. If they wish to have TV screens, then surely that should be in one coach, desigatd the NOISY coach, where mobiles, headphones etc etc can be crammed together. Needless to say I object to the way mobiles - ring tones and voices are used on trains. Trains should be thee for relaxation, quiet conversations with other passengers, looking out of thew window, sleeping, reading a book and so on.
Name: Stephen
CommentsComment on the Televisions:
I didn't think anything other than strikes could ever stop me travelling by train. It seems that the management have now come up with something that does just that.
Name: Ann & Ashley
CommentsWe think that this is the most appalling development and will feel unable to travel on any trains with this atrocity. As devoted rail enthusiasts we feel this the end of the world.
Name: Peter
CommentsI came across tv on trains for the first time last summer in the Midlands. The electric units on such Central Trains services as Birmingham to Lichfield and Coventry (323 units) had them. I found them intrusive after an initial novelty. I seem to recall that there was a repeated programme (presumably as passengers weren't expected to be on for long) and there were a lot of adverts.
Funnily enough some years ago the local bus operator (Arriva) had TVs installed. They didn't last very long but I don't know why.
Name: Catherine
Comments
I find the idea of television on trains appalling - especially if it's to be in
every train carriage. If this must happen why not just have
it in one or two carriages only.
To my mind this all smacks of American domination and greed. I loathe the
amplified noise of television at the best of times. What's wrong with reading or
looking out of the window.
Name: Peter
CommentsTrain TV must be stopped. It's graffiti/vandalism/canned noise and total trash. It is not what we expect when we buy a ticket. Trains are a public service. Passengers are not captive sheep to be force-fed rubbish each day just to massage the bonuses and perks of fat controllers who treat us with arrogance and contempt. If this is the future, heaven help us. Good luck in your campaign.
Name:
Thomas
CommentsI am a 32 year old commuter and I am totally
opposed to the idea of TV on board. I have travelled on the Heathrow Express and
find the TVs very invasive. To me, the rail journey offers a time to think, gaze
out of the window and generally get a little breathing space in a hectic,
stressful world. I do not want my personal space further invaded by more noise
and flickering screens and I sincerely hope c2c and the other rail companies
will re-consider.
Name: Michael
CommentsI was recently pointed in the direction of your campaign against train TV.
There is absolutely *no* way I would travel on a train if I knew I would not be able to avoid looking at or hearing a television. Absolutely *no* way. There are only two options for television as far as I'm concerned. Either none whatsoever, or an individual screen on the back of every seat, like a passenger aircraft, and with no loudspeakers, only headphones.
I will have absolutely no respect for any form of public transport which forces me to put up with noise that really needn't be there, or forces flickering screens into my field of vision. I don't go as far as wanting to ban mobile phones, as much as I hate them. A conversation is a conversation, provided the user knows not to shout needlessly into the damned thing. However, being a "target" for "prime time advertising" is wholly offensive and intrusive.
If I were a rail commuter I would filled with utter horror at the prospect of TVs on trains. I wish you all success for your campaign.
Michael
Name: Natalie
CommentsI think that everyone who finds the idea appalling should let their views known to local/national press, their MPs, Transport for London, Department for Transport, European bodies perhaps, there is a European Commissioner for Human Rights, e-mail address: commissioner.humanrights@coe.int. I cannot stomach comments saying: it is coming anyway, we cannot do anything about it.
I was told by my train operator One that they would "restrict TVs to Metro services", i.e. trains between Shenfiled and London. I still remain very worried though because they quoted results of the survey producing 80% support for TVs but from quick look at forum on Consumer deals site I am not convinced that the survey can be relied upon as the questions asked were not specifically about noisy TVs spouting non-stop adverts. I talked to a few people at work and on the train who did not have experience of the TVs yet. Reactions were those of disbelief and outrage. A couple of people initially thought that on-train TVs meant those tiny silent screens used for listing stations en route or thought it could be something like the screens on buses, which are also silent. Not enough people know about this most unwelcome development yet and it would be very sad if we just sleep walk into it.
Name: Christine
CommentsOur trains are packed enough in the morning, and all travellers want is (a) a seat with enough room overhead for bags etc., (b) the chance to talk quietly and (c) the chance to read. There is barely enough room in the carriages for people to sit (the lucky ones) or stand (the unfortunate ones) and to be bombarded with news, and advertisements, and continually telling you how good the service is, is totally abhorrent. Please remove these immediately and, if you really want to deliver better service, bring back 12 carriage trains in the rush hour - far more use than tv's.
Name:
Matt
CommentsI'm a long-term user of services, mainly WAGN services, out of Cambridge. I understand that this change affects only 'one' trains, but I absolutely hate the idea of TVs on any public transport, and 8 TVs per carriage is wildly excessive. They have TV advertising on lots of the London buses now, and I can't stand it - it's impossible to ignore if you're in line of sight and the government-subsidised rail companies have no right to impose this on people who are doing the country a favour by using public transport and have already paid the rail companies themselves a fair wage.
Name: Stuart
CommentsI am disgusted that we are to be bombarded with even more advertising and pointless information. My long daily commute is made bearable by the fact that C2C run a good service which is not over-crowded. The peace and quiet we all enjoy before and after days work is the last place for such a shameless money making intrusion.
Name:
Christopher
CommentsTelevisions on Trains.
I think that everyone should get used to the idea that the TV's will be installed onto the C2C train stock. Given the choice, I would like to see the latest news, and not a constant stream of adverts and music, however, i think that the over-riding factor in this debate is that the screens and speakers will be vandalised on a regular basis by certain members of the public. After a few years they will look tired, worn, and will not work correctly. The travelling public will be bombarded with crackling speakers, buzzing screens, and not the fantastic system everyone purports it to be.
Name:
Yvonne
Comments
I have been a commuter on the Fenchurch Street line for 26 years and the only benefit of the travel for me is that it gives me a quiet time to myself. I mostly spend this time reading or ocasionally just gazing out the window. I find that after a hard day at the office it is immensely relaxing to just let myself nap or watch the world go by, easy on the eyes after hours at the computer screen.
Unfortunately a week or so ago I noticed the appearance of TV screens on our trains, blessedly not active yet, but intruding nonetheless. OK, I thought, not too bad as long as its pictures only, without sound, I can still read peacefully. But now I understand that these screens will be audible as well. What a horror ! Most commuters don't even like other commuters talking to each other on the train let alone a TV.
I cannot remember being asked if this was something I'd approve of on the trains and since we pay such a high price for our tickets I think there should have been some kind of comprehensive referendum on the issue of all regular commuters. A stall at Fenchurch Street where you could register a "Yes" or a "No" vote may have been one way to go. I have seen nothing asking me my opinion on this issue.
I emphatically do not want TVs intruding into, what is for me, valuable down time in my working day. Although I doubt c2c will pay any attention to the wishes of its paying customers (we are a captive audience after all). I felt that I had to register my dislike and "No" vote for this latest addition to the trains.
Up to this time I have been extolling the virtues of c2c as I felt we had one of the best railway lines in the country but unfortunately the issue of TV screens in the carriages will sour my opinion for a long time to come.
Name: Natalie
CommentsI am absolutely disgusted by these plans to torture commuting public. I use One trains and they apparently signed up to this hideous idea in secret. There was certainly no consultation whatsoever, and they apparently had a contract with TNX for quite some time! My journey to London takes just over an hour. In the morning I use the time to catch up on sleep - I am up at 6:00am. In the evening I prefer to read. In fact my train journey is about the only time I have to myself.
I have already written to my MP, One and posted a complaint on 360 Onboard site. Not sure if any of it will take desired effect.
I wonder if class litigation against the rail businesses and TNX (and /or TNCI UK Ltd who push this disgusting stuff here) may be the best way forward. After all if my next door neighbour insisted on playing irritating noise loudly in their garden the Council would have ASBO issued against them. There must be an opportunity to get back at these noise pests either using Health & Safety rules (if not noise then increased stress/anxiety, after all when they subjected prisoners of war to unwanted noise it was classified as torture) or Human Rights Act.
Sadly I do not happen to know any human rights lawyers!
Name: Roger
CommentsTV's on trains
I am not in favor of tv on trains as I travel on the 5.29am train to london most mornings for work and the last thing you want at that time of a morning is a tv on and making a noise. Most poeple are asleep that time of morning on the train. Also on evening rush hours it will inpossible to hear anything as people talking on mobile phones and general noise level. Please make C2C to try and see sense and not put this money grabbing scheme in place.
Name:
Susan
CommentsAs a daily commuter on Central trains cross-city line in Birmingham, I want to express my support for your campaign to prevent 360 onboard encroaching onto your trains. Believe me, portentous announcements of "You're only 1 minute away from your showbiz news!" add nothing positive to the commuting experience. I'm one of the lucky few who boards this service at the first stop and so can choose to sit in the 20% area of each carriage designated a 'quiet zone'. However, these zones rapidly fill up, leaving the majority of passengers very little choice in the matter. I have written to Central trains about this unwelcome intrusion onto what was once a vaulable period of 'quiet time', but to no avail.
Also, beware the 80% figure! I read in todays Independent that Central Trains
are claiming 80% of passengers are happy with the service. This is the same 80%
figure quoted before the TVs were installed, which we were told was the number
of passengers who welcomed the idea of such a service. Interestingly, no survey
has taken place since their installation. Best wishes
Name:
Stephanie
CommentsHello, I'm an annual season ticket holder from Westcliff to Fenchurch Street (£2,800 and rising...). Normally I find the C2C service excellent. I was apprehensive at first because I had heard tales from a colleague of the Misery Line days, so I was delighted to find that they had brand new trains and that I very, very rarely have trouble with delays or cancellations. However, I read today in the Times that they plan to introduce TV on all their trains. This is absolutely horrifying! It will shatter the relative peace of the journeys which in lots of ways I enjoy (reading, dozing, listening to radio - just like all the others I suspect). I saw in the article that you've been bombarded with protests, and I don't want to to clutter up your inbox any more than necessary, but I would like to add my name to the protest if it helps you with any discussions with the company. I've also emailed them directly. Why they would want to ruin their passengers' rail journeys when they have just managed to claw back their good name? Oh well. Good luck with any discussions.
Name: Hilary
CommentsI wholeheartedly disagree with the introduction of tv's on C2C trains. I relish the quietude of the train as part of my relaxation at the beginning and end of a long working day and enjoy listening (quietly) to Radio 4 on my phone. I find that fellow passenger's chatter is disruptive enough without the enforced intrusion of tv screens to my line of vision and would seriously consider changing my travel arrangements to go from Southend Victoria to Liverpool Street rather than continuing with my current journey of Southend East to Fenchurch Street, particularly as there is now very little cost differential and no difference in journey time (I work in Whitechapel). I really enjoy the journey along the estuary, watching the wild life and changing seasons and the intrusive tv screen would detract from that. I never watch tv on planes or buses anyway as they make me nauseous so even after sunset, I would not make use of such a facility but would actively seek to avoid it.
Name:
Christine
CommentsRe TV's on trains
How anybody in their right minds would think we would look favourably on products being advertised in crowded trains over mobile phones, CD players etc. I don't know!
The chances are the screens will be vandalised anyway, which will add to the tasteful ambiance.
How about organising protesting passengers to agree to boycott whatever is advertised?
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